However here is my take on it. I can only think of one incident in the books were a slave owned by one was disciplined by another for some incident. In Hunter's of Gor there is a scene where a man is brought before Bosk, his head has been shaved by the Panther's of the Northern Forests. A slave girl finds this highly amusing and teases the man endlessly (you can read this excerpt here).
In the end Bosk gives the slave to the now freed man, to do with what he wishes. The girl submits tears in her eyes...knowing she is to be well used, and most likely whipped for her foolishness.
The idea of "whip rights" I feels comes from this scene. The problem is complex. A slave has no rights, no recourse. If her owner wishes to give her to another for a night or for life, what choice does she have?
But to take another property without his permission? To damage her? That is theft, and in either world is a serious crime.
To answer my anonymous friend's question then...I do not see any protocol unless you decided to have one. In SL once a slave girl of mine insulted a Free man. He frankly was an idiot and was deserving of the insult...but a slave does not insult the free. He complained to me. I spoke to her about her actions. She admitted to the insult and understood the fact that it was wrong.
If somethings happens in RL...and your owner feels a punishment is in order...what choice does the slave have?
It depends on the relationship of course! Do they have some sort of agreement on who may use and play with her? How will the punishment be dealt out? How will the punishment be decided upon? Will the slave have any choice in the matter?
In real life all things have to be discussed and considered. Another incident from my BDSM past may enlighten you...I was at a party and worked out a nice little scene where I was to cane a female submissive. Things were going well, her body reacted beautifully to my measured strokes and both of us were in our respective head spaces. Then another Dom walked in and took over the scene. Striking her harder and rougher than I was, after using her mouth sexually. I was thrown off by his intrusion and a bit shocked. She was trained to suck a dick when presented. It was not part of our scene.
Long story short I called off the scene, upsetting her and him. I was upset with him for entering our scene. She with me for messing with her head space! The host with both of us! One side of her ass was seriously bruised, much worse than what we had agreed on. In the end it was all figured out, he was never invited to another party. She never played with me again.
There are consequences for every action and both parties must be willing to accept those outcomes, it would seem to me that if given to another for punishment...in either world...all parties involved need to be able to accept and understand the possible consequences.
(note: my former slave did not die on the cross...but was there to be ridiculed)
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Thanks for Your response! Both the SL and RL examples were enlightening, and my Master and i discussed it. And yes the punishment had already been handed out as You guessed, but it was interesting to compare and contrast with Your perspectives and examples.
due to my situation being RL and involving another Gorean in our area i am unable to go into many details. it happend at a munch type event, and my Master only told me it was to happen that morning, as otherwise i would have worried myself sick over it. as it was, i spent the whole day leading to the evening in a state of extreme worry, my stomach knotted up.
Master and the other person met and conferred in private; then Master told me what would be the duration of my punishment at the other person's hands (30 mins). the unexpected thing for me was that he would take me to a different room and Master would not be present.
i was presented to the other Master (also Gorean) in hair/leading and conducted away in that manner to the other room.
the punishment was given and i feel i held up well and represented my Master like a good slave in spite of everything i was going through. i definitely reached my space and it helped to know the time limit.
the other Master conducted me back in hair/leading back to my Master. this is where things took another unexpected turn for me - and this time, also for Master. the other Master asked to once more chat privately with my Master.
after their chat once more my Master came to me, this time held me, complimented me for taking the punishment well. that worked wonders! but also told me that the other Master wished something else from me (similar to Your RL), also in private. Master was firm that He did wish me to do this last part for Him, i.e. He had decided and i had to comply.
once more i was conducted to the other room. here is where something unexpected happened which disturbed me. and i was also made to provide the service that had been agreed upon.
afterwards i told my Master what had happened, and He said we would not repeat this scene anymore. He has since communicated that to the other Gorean.
and so, as in Your case, there were unexpected twists, as well as consequences.
One of the issues with my Master and my situation vis-a-vis other Goreans is that we don't interpret Norman's books as a Gospel to lead our lives by, but when we attend Gorean events and interact with other Gorens, i feel sometimes we inevitably get ourselves into misunderstandings.
oh well, i guess it goes with the territory. Master and i are glad nothing got too far out of hand.
If Gor were a real physical place then my answer would have been different. The relationship between you and your Master seems like a very strong one to me.
I see the Gorean novels as a way to navigate the greater BDSM world and the world in general. To quote the books: "There is no single humanity, no single shirt, no correct pair of shoes, no uniform, even a gray one, that will fit all men. There are a thousand humanities possible. He who denies this sees only his own horizons. He who disagrees is the denier of difference, and the murderer of the better futures."
I think it is much like the Bible. You may not understand this part, or believe that God said X and not Y. In the end though, it's the grand picture that matters.
Adam, Sir,
I would like to commend you for stopping the scene you described, despite the later problems. You did EXACTLY what a responsible Dom should have done. You and the sub had an agreement, and the other Dom violated that. It was your responsibility to care and protect her--and last minute changes in the heat of the moment often leads to remorse.
I'm sorry they were both so clueless about how this all works, but you were honorable and respectful.
Well done, Sir,
Dannah
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